Today is just gross hot. I hate it. I am sitting her typing away and sweating horribly. I hate sweat. It's soooooooo disgusting. GET IT OFF ME!!! I hope it's better tomarrow :(
Ok, first part of headlines has been adressed. Part 2: "Am I pursuaded?" If you check previous comments in the Deb/Dani disscussions I loathed Dani and highly admired (and still do, even more actually!!!) Deb. Deb was someone who I could relate to more and Dani seemed like some nutcase out to hurt everyones feelings to suit her supposed way of living. Well, since then I've gotten a new screen name, attitude and mind (and open one.)
Dani and I have now become friends even though some of her sarcastic words towards Deb bug me a bit she's actually pretty nice. About me? She's just concerned. So why not listen? I did listen and though I am not yet pursuaded I can see things from her point of view. Her latest post.... oh darn. I forgot the title and I don't know how to do those linky things, but anyway, she made it for me and other readers as well. I had asked her where the heck it said in the bible not to be bi. Her post kindly explained to what she believes (and I kinda/sorta believe.) The only little thing that bugged me about her post was that being bi- is a greater sin than others. SIN IS SIN (if it is sin, which I am not really sure it is. i don't THINK it is... i don't know it isn't though.) God doesn't say: "Hey, murder is a really really bad sin. But lying isn't that bad." No. I imagine Him being more like: "Jane has sinned. As has Tommy. Their sister Lucy though, has not sinned." Of course, that's just my personal thought and what many other believe as well.
No, Dani, you have not yet pursuaded me into agreeing with you completlely but you have pursuaded me to be your friend :) As well as convinced me I need to look at things in more ways, it helps!!!
random question that is super baffeling: When were dinosuars??? Why did God make them? Were they outside the garden?
love ya deb + dani,
~tay
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Hey Taylor,
I used to be very confused too. People coming at me from different directions.
The thing is, we all live in our physical nature. We all fall short. No one is perfect, remember that. You're not a bad person and God knows your heart.
Let God guide you, and not a mere human.
{{hugs}}
P.S. If you really think about it, Dani has the mindset of a KKK member. They consider themselves "Christians" as well----but they don't accept certain people. She is very nice, and I have spoken with her too, but beyond that, if you don't change the way 'she feels and believes' is right, then you are not good enough. God sat and ate dinner with sinners. God loves all of us Taylor...not just 'some'.
Deb - that is downright EVIL to say I have the mindset of a KKK member, so I am not even going to comment on that.
Taylor Dear, I know I am not going to persuade you over night. I just wanted to give you a basic foundation of what the Bible actually says regarding human relationships so you can make an informed decision on your own.
You said that Deb was someone who you can relate to more - I understand that, but as you can see, Deb is getting fairly defensive at that fact that I'm chatting with you. Why would that be, I wonder?
This may help you to relate to me better and not think of me as such a nutcase: I was "bi-sexual" too when I was a teenager so I am more like you than you think.
On another post you asked why God didn’t just create another man for Adam – well, simply because another man would not be a suitable helper for Adam and they could not reproduce since it is biologically impossible.
I will respond to your a "SIN is a SIN" comment over on my blog. (Deb just hates it when I cut and paste my agruments)
In the meantime, here is a great commentary for you to read =>
WHERE DID DINOSAURS COME FROM?
Try and stay cool!
Dani,
I'm not getting defensive, but you have to admit that you pick and choose which sin is worse than another.
The biggest commandment to live by is to "love one another with all your heart and to love thy neighbor"---is it not? This is what "JESUS" says.
I told Taylor that you are a very nice woman. You're smart, funny and I have seen your warm side. I'm not bashing you here.
Your thinking is definitely on the lines of a KKK member. I have encountered members of the Klan, even on my blog, and they think just like you do! It's a fact---not an opinion.
I like you Dani, I just don't like the way you treat others and think that your beliefs and opinions are better than someone else's. You say you know the 'truth', but you don't know the truth if you don't do it with love. There's a big difference.
Just as though, 'love the sinner, hate the sin', you hate both. Actions speak louder than words.
Be well.
Taylor,
I'll not try to convince you of anything, I just ask that you always question and seek to learn and decide for yourself.
I'm a bit surprise that the only problem you had with Dani's post was her "levels of sin" argument.
For starters I'd ask if she truly answered your question. You noted in your question that she believed the implication of man/woman only pairings was found in Genisis, but you noted that any "implication" is far from a direct condemnation. I don't see where Dani answered this charge in the slightest. It appears that by and large, Dani simply repeated the implication that because Adam and Eve were male and female, all pairings must be that way. I would ask you to consider if you believe Adam and Eve's responsibility was to populate the earth, or to be a model for absolutely every relationship that would ever exist.
She also cites Paul's writings on marriage, but remember that Paul might not be the best authority on marriage as Paul felt that marriage was not quite a sin, but still a pretty bad thing to be involved in.
I'm really also a bit surprised that you don't question Dani on her assertion that Mosiac law on homosexuality is somehow "obviously" different than Mosiac law on eating shellfish, touching pork skin (ever held a football), wearing mixed fabrics, etc. After all the are in the same place in the Bible. There are no passages that suggest that these are different categories, in fact, in the original texts, the same Hebrew words are often used to describe these activities. If Dani is going to pick and choose what parts of Mosaic law she thinks shoudl be followed, she needs to provide a better reason for her cherry-picking than simply to say it's "obvious." Her stating that something is "obviously different" doesn't make it so especially when she provides NOTHING to back up her assertion.
Finally, I'd like for you to question the motivation of Dani's reference to you being more valuable than an animal. Do you truly believe that ~deb thinks you are no more valuable than an animal? I can't speak for ~deb but I suspect that's not the case. It isn't unclear here that Dani this statement is a rather bizarre attack by Dani. Her argument falls through though. If she really believed that God created you in his image, then wouldn't it also make sense that he loves you just the way he creted you?
Here's another resource you can use, but don't take their word for anything either. Always question, always dig deeper, and never stop learning and thinking for yourself.
Thank you Deb :)
*hugs*
Yes. True. I don't know much about the KKK though... I think it's a gang right? IDK.
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Calm down Dani *pats on shoulder*
I don't think you're a nutcase so you don't have to worry. I think you're a very kind and speaks-her-mind type of person. (would an synonym be "outspoken"? where's the dictionary when i need it)
Ya, I get they couldn't produce but I still don't see (and it may be unanswerable) why God didn't make Adam like an a cell thingy who could just divide and that's how they reproduce. I guess it's just the way He wanted it.
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note: i'm reading down the comments as i myself comment. hope it's not confusing.
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Dolphin,
I never said I agreed with all of what Dani said but the whole sin-sin thing bugged me and really stood out.
Also I would like to point out that I am making decisions for myself, I am not a 4 year old. Trust me, I am just trying to be fair to Dani and listen to her, as well as Deb and maybe learn how it is from Dani's point of view.
I do agree... Adam and Eve had a sucky relashionship and isn't one to happy to follow. :(
Thanks for the comment,
Tay
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THANK YOU ALL :) I am off to check you're blogs and comments. It's a rutine I've kinda picked up. Thanks for the comments!
MUCH LOVE (and now slight confusion),
Tay
Taylor~
Regarding your comment on another site... I said it before and I'll say it again. You conduct yourself with a grace and dignity that few adults possess. Kudos to you.
Your parents should be very proud of you. :-)
Lisa
Thank you Lisa :)
Hope to see you again in the blog world!
xoxoxo
~t
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